Apparently Reddit has now banned a subreddit dedicated to the Fediverse Reddit-alternative Kbin:
https://sakurajima.moe/@chikorita157/110517156242412322
If you're on a centralised platform like Reddit, this is what they can do. Centralised platforms have all-powerful leaders who can do whatever they want, and you have no alternatives if you disagree.
The point of the Fediverse being on lots of servers is that each server's power is limited. If you disagree with one server's actions, you can move.
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@Beiz @SleepyCatten
Kbin is very new, give it a bit of time.
The reason I'd recommend Kbin instead of Lemmy is that Lemmy's lead developer seems to have... um... problematic behaviour...
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
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•@SleepyCatten kbin is so much better than lemmy in the ui side.
I'm having a heck of time rolling an instance tho since their documentation is a travesty!
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Yeah, the developer said today they're currently working on the documentation for making an instance, as they're aware we need more of them right now.
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•More instances and a mobile app and it would probably get a lot more people willing to try it
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•Exactly that
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The project is tiny and new, it needs support to achieve all these things.
If you are a programmer you can help at https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core
If you are not a programmer, you can donate at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin
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I think it could? Email and the web are open standards in general vocab, and they aren't corporate brand names.
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•Kathrin
•This is a long read, but it very succinctly explains why these things inevitably always will happen on centralized systems:
https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok
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•@Kathrin
Yes! People who enjoy the article should follow the author at @pluralistic
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Kathrin
•I know you're being facetious but TikTok likely appeals to a different demographic and within that audience, it was great - for a time.
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•If you're referring to the data harvesting (aka spying), then sure. However, that applies to pretty much any other platform as well.
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Add to that that this content follows the old 90% lurker, 9% interacter and 1% creator rule of thumb.
I would not be surprised if the Venn diagram between creators and people who use 3rd party apps approaches a circle.
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•@aleklu @Lazycog
Also, the long form posts on Reddit mean it's a lot more dependent on creators.
There are sometimes really good deep dive posts on Reddit in a way that have never existed on Twitter, due to the different posting format.
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•HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
•#RedditCensorship takes #Elmo's #BorgSite approach and eliminated #Fediverse entry.
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/110519237586930084
Act now to protect your content and use the #Fediverse's #FOSS alternatives:
#Lemmy or #Kbin:
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110516948024413608
#JoinTheFediverse.net
#jointhefediverse
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•Acetopheles
•guess they really are fearful of people moving off Reddit after all.
Surely they should support a free and open internet...
The idea of people hating and leaving Reddit terrifies them. If Reddit was such a great platform they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Yet years of never delivering on promises has finally and justly come back to haunt them.
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•@doug @mauveavenger @TheDude
Yeah, federation is a neutral word in most of the world. It just means an organisation of independent groups.
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If you want to sign up on another server, you need to create an account on that server.
Your Mastodon account is tied to the Mastodon server where you signed up, you can't use it to sign in on any other server.
It's like with email, you can't use your Gmail account to sign in on Yahoo Mail, even though you can send emails between Gmail and Yahoo Mail accounts.
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The users you can see with other instance info are on other instances. They may not be on Kban at all, or they might be on different Kban servers.
The idea of the Fediverse is people are spread out on thousands of different servers, but the servers communicate seamlessly so that people from many different servers can have conversations together.
You and I are on different servers but we are able to talk like this, because the servers we signed up on communicate with each other.
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You don't need an account on every service.
One account will usually let you interact on other services. From your point of view it will look like you're just on Mastodon, but you're actually on other services too.
For example, if you want to comment on a PeerTube video, you can do that from Mastodon. From your point of view it will look like a Mastodon thread, but when you go to the PeerTube video's own page the comment you made on Mastodon will be there.
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•Julian Lam
•that's hilarious, imagine being so scared that you start barring the doors and blocking people from leaving.
Reddit death spiral, and I'm here for it.
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•What #kbin instances are there out there?
Kbin dot social is super full rn, and using the main instance isn’t usually good anyway
(Also, any kbin apps for iOS?)
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•@luana Karab.in is the only other english one I know of. There are a handful of polish instances (AFAIK the kbin dev is polish).
But if you have the knowledge and resources you should totally host your own kbin instance!
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•@Bees karab.in seems to be polish too?
Also nah, I don’t even self-host my mastodon account lmaoo
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The admin of Kbin posted today that they're giving priority to documenting how to set up Kbin servers, to speed up the process of more servers being set up.
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•Mike Rodriquez
•Thanks. Now I know about bin as well. Having heard questionable things about Lemmy (don't ask me what, I already forgot
, I'm keen to learn about alternatives.
They banned the group, but the topic lives on. Here's one useful thread that came from searching reddit for "kbin"
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/140bxax/kbinsocial_is_an_easy_to_onboard_lemmy/
Reddit - Dive into anything
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@knova @SleepyCatten @Beiz
Human rights are not politics.
If someone is tortured, that is not a political act, it's an evil act.
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@Beiz @knova @SleepyCatten
It's not about politics.
Human rights should never be abused for any reason, and documented abuses should never be denied.
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@Beiz @knova @SleepyCatten
"i do understand their motivations for being passive and neutral to controversy"
That's not the situation. They are not being passive or neutral, they are on the side of repressive governments.
The lead developer of Lemmy is this person:
https://raddle.me/f/lobby/96713/heads-up-the-tankie-behind-lemmy-ml-got-banned-from-r
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They haven't done an app yet, but it works through the web. More info at https://kbin.pub
Home | kbin.pub - Fediverse of content
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•p.s. Have had lot of people asking similar questions, so here are some answers:
Kbin's website is at https://kbin.pub, they have a flagship server at https://kbin.social. There's no app yet, but you can use Kbin servers through their websites.
The lead developer of Kbin is @ernest, at the moment that's the account to follow for news on the project.
If you want to help Kbin there's a donation link at https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin, and programmers can help at https://codeberg.org/Kbin
Ernest is kbin.pub & kbin.social
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bind is a DNS server, yes.
Now, rather than managing DNS on some crappy web interfaces, I can just edit the zone files on my primary DNS server, and it "just works".
All I had to do with my domain registrar is replace the DNS record info they held before (which is now on my servers) and enter my three nameservers into their interface. Job done.
Craig Mcgee
•Ian Molton
Sure, but my VPSes are *minute*. Up until yesterday I had Debian bookworm running a Mailserver on just 5GiB of disk.
(I've added more disk now as its handling a lot more stuff now.)
Apart from pushing DNS with one click (not that you need to do that anyway, if you run your own), why do you want a web interface to configure the machine - its just one more vulnerability.
Craig Mcgee
•Ian Molton
That's fair.
Feel free to ask. I'm happy to share the info I have.
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I actually switched from the DNS providers web interfaces (123 and fasthosts) to doing it "properly" precisely because it was much easier to ssh in and edit a zone file on my primary DNS and run 'rndc reload', rather than to go to their site (after working out if the domain was 123 or fasthosts reg), then logging in, 2FA, navigate past the ads, find where they moved stuff to (looking at you, 123), and finally edit. the. records. one. at. a. time. via their crappy web interface.
I can update DNS for any/all of my half a dozen domains in about 30 seconds, rather than several minutes. I can even schedule the changes with cron if I want to.
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•Ian Molton
I dont have direct experience of using a screen reader, but it seems to me that the command line might be easier to use in this regard?
to edit (say) a zone file on my server, I can do:
ssh me@my.server.com
vim /etc/bind/zones/db.my.zone
rndc reload
alternatively, if I have a local copy, I could edit that and upload it directly into place with:
scp local_copy me@my.server.com:/etc/bind/zones/
ssh me@my.server.com rndc reload
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•pieceofthepie :coffefied:
•@stemy @ernest Not normally. That was temporally implemented a few hours back to mitigate what looked like a DDoS.
In retrospect it may have just been the HN/Digg/Slashdot/Reddit effect but until that eases of it is making the site usable.
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Yeah, can confirm they didn't have Cloudflare earlier in the day.
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•@plaws(N5UWY/VE2UWY-he/him)🇨🇦🇺🇸 Yes, but the difference is that you don't have to sign up with that instance to engage with its users. Likewise, you can migrate to another instance if you disagree with the policies of your current one.
It's not a bulletproof system, but it's far more resistant to that kind of nonsense.
Edit: typo
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•"AFAIK (and may be wrong!) there is no prohibition against for-profit Mastodon instances."
It's not about the ownership, it's about the structure of the network. As long as we're spread out on many servers, if a single sever misbehaves, all their users could simply migrate to another server.
On here, you can migrate while keeping your follows and followers.
On centralised networks like Reddit/Twitter/Facebook you would lose all your follows/followers.
The Steel Rat
•Sounds like a good idea, until your server is targeted by defederation from multiple popular and well used servers
#Fediverse #Reddit #Kbin
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It's still really, really new, as far as I know they haven't added direct account transfers yet.
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•The thing with social networks is that they're unlike any other product or service. People use it to communicate and organize, and form communities inside it.
So censoring people because they're openly plotting to replace a service with a different one shouldn't be considered "breach of contract" or "playing dirty", or whatever the CEO thinks. Because they are a community.
It should be illegal to censor people for discussing alternative platforms or social networks.
Making a social network for-profit is literally buying the town square. Abusing that power is a despicable thing to do.
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Alper Çuğun-Gscheidel
•Each subreddit is a fiefdom dictatorship so this behavior should come naturally to them.
Though they’ll find it’s easier to dish out tyranny than it is to undergo it. #Reddit
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Ian Molton
I think collectively, internet users have fallen into the trap that a service has to exist to use it, and that they then must choose from the "bestest" service providers or make do with nothing.
I dont know how this narrative came to be the "received wisdom", but its simply not true.
With a small VPS you can run nearly anything yourself. Need DNS? bind. mail? exim, postfix, dovecot, sendmail... Social media? friendica, masto, diaspora... maps.
The whole *point* of DNS was to distribute the task - not make it something you leave to a handful of giants.
Grr.
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99% of the population do not have the technical knowledge nor the time to maintain their own infrastructure like that. There should be many more smaller options, but your expectation sometime seems akin to expecting people to forego car mechanics or seeing their GP and do it all themselves whilst still having time for the rest of their lives. Fine in this case if it's a special interest, not so much if not and especially not for the people who have no technical aptitude.
I say that as someone who self-hosts several of my services on a VPS (private DNS resolver, cloud storage, code repositories in gitea, personal web site) and other fully private ones on a server in my own home where I have several terabytes of HDD storage connected.
Alastair Cooper
I have found Cloudflare excellent from a technical perspective.
However from an ethical point of view there have been serious issues with them failing to limit access to sites that promoted abuse and worse against trans and neurodivergent people.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxnxmb/cloudflare-wont-cut-off-kiwi-farms-stalking-forum
I haven't fully cut them out of my stack yet, they still handle the DNS routing for services running on my servers but I will get round to fixing this soon.
Cloudflare Suggests It Won’t Cut Off Anti-Trans Stalking Forum
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